radiolab dispatches from 1918 transcript

And so we have to look away, you know. Host of Radiolab Jad Abumrad tells how his search for an answer led him home to the mountains of Tennessee, where he met an unexpected teacher: Dolly Parton. [VOICE ACTOR, Georges Clémenceau: ... that we are here to decide the issue of German guilt and ultimately German reparations.]. Susie Luxemburg is our executive producer. And within a few years Schiele skyrockets to success, and in exhibitions, like, you'll find their work alongside each other. SARAH: Yeah, something like that. Six million died of influenza. It's going through the piggy 1920s and then the piggy 1930s and the piggy 1940s, and it's doing little changes along the way. The Ceremony. So it could change. I didn't know India fought in World War One. This is him speaking much later. Oh! One of them wrote Wilson a blistering letter of resignation. And they just might help us to better weather this viral storm. No! Which was pretty much a slap in the face. It was just that, like, these liberal leaders surrendered too soon. ... that he threatens to just leave to go back to the States. Visit our website. LATIF: So Schiele just attends to her over the next couple of days, and just has to watch as she's, you know, struggling to breathe, and as she and also obviously their unborn child just kind of start to fade away. A new century of war. I don't know what these things mean. To quote from some of these speeches that he gave ... "India has altogether lost the capacity to fight. Does that mean that like the flu I might have gotten this past winter is built on the backbone of the 1918 strain? He buys a new, like, big studio, and he talks about how he was going to convert his old studio into this kind of new revolutionary kind of like art school. Now two of those genes make very important proteins. ], MATT: ... being just like, "Look, the Germans ...", [VOICE ACTOR, Georges Clémenceau: The Germans must pay.]. Also others, like the ones getting off this ship were coming from Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq. Immediately you began to see these illustrations in the paper of the spiky ball. But they can go into other animals, too. He essentially wanted to put the boot on Germany's neck. SARAH: This is him speaking much later, but just to help you imagine. Okay, so the 1918 flu is kind of famous for being forgotten. In this next dispatch, which comes from reporter Sarah Qari, we're gonna tell a story about how the flu gave the arc of history and this one particular individual a little nudge all the way on the other side of the world. Like trying to freeze freeze him or something or or hold him or. So. They will give a good account of themselves wherever they may serve.]. Like, he had this sort of spark that was -- that was snuffed out. They must not be destroyed. I'm hearing this fellow talking!" ], Copyright © 2020 New York Public Radio. And that's what we're gonna do today. Because Wilson could never actually bring himself to go. This episode was reported and produced by Rachael Cusick, Tad Davis, Tracie Hunte, Matt Kielty, Latif Nasser, Sarah Qari, Pat Walters, Molly Webster, with production assistance from Tad Davis and Bethel Habte. RACHAEL: So that's Susan Douglas, radio historian. It was one of those -- like, it was a Condé Nast publication that I guess had been done right before the pandemic. Her eyes are half closing, but trying to stay out of bed. SARAH: So for him it was a show of strength, but also kind of like a bargaining chip. I'm on my back. LATIF: Yeah, exactly. One can do so even while keeping out of it. Or like, "The flu is in China now," and that's the whole story. And that's what we're gonna do today. Gotcha. ], [VOICE ACTOR, Georges Clémenceau: Je déclare la Conférence de paix de Paris officiellement ouverte.]. MARGARET MACMILLAN: ... the damage done to France was enormous. Dr. Anthony Fauci, who probably at this point doesn't need an introduction. MATT: And this would be a bit of a problem because Clémenceau, when it came to the enemy, Germany ... [VOICE ACTOR, Georges Clémenceau: I don't think there is any question ...]. So this is how the coverage goes all fall: war stories, war stories, war stories. Two of them are derived from its swine flu descendants. We talk to Dr. Johan Hultin, Eileen Hultin, Dr. Jeffery Taubenberger, Ann Reid, Rita Olanna and Annie Conger. And more importantly, he was also extremely racist. A few days later, he tells an aide. Radiolab Series 7. You see her her fading Ray. SARAH: Yeah! Turkey may follow war's fiercest fighting on Cambrai front. The disease starts to spread through the city of Bombay, and from there throughout India. Those two proteins are abbreviated H and N.. Yeah, okay. I'm hearing this fellow talking!" Support Radiolab by becoming a member today at Radiolab.org/donate. Radiolab, with Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, is a radio show and podcast weaving stories and science into sound and music-rich documentaries. Somehow in 1957, a dual infection occurred between the human virus that derived from 1918 and an unknown bird virus. So about a million Indian soldiers were off fighting the war for the British splendid soldiers, splendid fighters. In a complex set of swapping genes between human viruses, pig viruses and bird viruses, a new virus was created that has some of the genes from the 1918 virus, but some are derived from its human descendants. But with a lot of historical accuracy and a little bit of drama ... Je déclare la Conférence de paix de Paris officiellement ouverte.]. LATIF: So for the next three days, he lays in bed with a high fever and he dies the same day as her funeral. You know, it's over by itself, no one's paying attention to it. I had just like began speaking as if I was speaking to my siblings and like responding to these imaginary things that they would say, like, I imagined my sister would be talking about her baby and then my other sister would be talking about this dinner she made. LATIF: So instead he goes to the morgue and sits next to Klimt's body and starts to sketch him. [ARCHIVE CLIP, Mohandas Gandhi: [speaking in Hindi]]. I see. JOHN BARRY: Germany was pretty much eviscerated. I saw this picture. So these two viruses end up swapping their genes, and the 1918 virus ends up with three new genes. We've been talking about this on the show and I thought like, "Oh, what did this look like in 1918?" And so basically the story goes is like Johan got very interested in trying to see if they could get a sample of the 1918 flu and learn about it. Support Radiolab by becoming a member today at Radiolab.org/donate. But the thing is, it was really bad. ], [VOICE ACTOR, Woodrow Wilson: We must make peace! RACHAEL: And then this voice, like, fills your bedroom. The show is known for its deep-dive journalism and innovative sound design. Because as the French kept on saying, "We didn't start the war. I got a phone call with my siblings. Follow the path of religion. I mean, it's the capital of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but it's really it's like -- it's like one of the cultural capitals of the world. And there was one point in 1913 where, within about two miles in central Vienna you could find Stalin, Trotsky, Freud and Hitler. Jerry Gault, "The Most Noble Fishing There Is"  in Charles River's Eureka Magazine There's some like Margaret, who say there was a real problem here and that was increasingly Germans felt they hadn't lost. JEFF TAUBENBERGER: In a complex set of swapping genes between human viruses, pig viruses and bird viruses, a new virus was created that has some of the genes from the 1918 virus. It's like somehow we are not the masters of our destiny in the way that we think. They're ready for Gandhi's message. Six hundred ninety two casual. ], [VOICE ACTOR, Georges Clémenceau: There is no peace. Yeah, something like that. SARAH: Any illness that you experience, often it's something that you've brought onto yourself. Oh, my God. Richard Fortey, Horseshoe Crabs and Velvet Worms Who are you talking to? So through that summer, the flu is spreading through India, Gandhi is running around giving speeches. Or like, "The flu is in China now," and that's the whole story. Like, it was utter devastation. I got a phone call with my siblings. But like, not that sick. But, like, the moment we're living in right now where I'm speaking to you from my closet and I haven't seen anyone besides my roommate in weeks and, like, the other day I was, like -- because I'm in an apartment with one other person and I'd just been talking to my roommate for so long and I was like, "All right, I gotta get out of this but there's no excuse to get out of here." Producer B.A. Like, just the way they really actually looked. OK. I think it was more than a cold. Just a bunch of beeps and boops. The war's over, the flu is winding down, and we're in Pittsburgh with this guy. JOHN BARRY: Quote, "I am sorry that you did not fight our fight to the finish, and that you had so little faith in the millions of men like myself in every nation who had faith in you. PAT: So sort of like people are talking about how things are opening up again and, like, we might have a second spike of the coronavirus. Coming up: dangerous bodies, ether ghosts, pig reservoirs and whale flu. "Rationally Speaking was co-created with Massimo Pigliucci, is produced by Benny Pollak, and is recorded in the heart of New York City's Greenwich Village. You had self-censorship in this country. At the same time, Wilson's doctors say these are terrible days for the president. You know, you can put them together in different ways as long as you have a complete set. TAD: So January, 1919, all the Allied leaders come together in Paris. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. I know. ], [VOICE ACTOR, Georges Clémenceau: Your history is a short one. Special thanks to Jenny Lawton, Soren Shade, Kelsey Padgett, and Soroush Vosughi. I had all along thought I had an iron frame, but I found that my body had now become a lump of clay.”, SARAH: "I have almost to crawl to reach the lavatory, and I have such griping pain that I feel like screaming. And then in 1977, the H1N1 virus. If we want to become free from that reproach, we should learn the use of arms.". Because Germany saw fit to gratify her lust for tyranny by resort to war.]. To kick things off, we travel through time from a homeless shelter to a military hospital, pondering the pandemic-fighting power of the sun. But after the war, modern art in Europe moves away from figural work like human figures and then towards abstraction. JAD: It does also make you wonder. Like, I imagined my sister would be talking about her baby, and then my other sister would be talking about this dinner she made. They were like, Schiele was into drawing people, right? So that's that's horrible. The idea for this set of dispatches is simple: As we head into the summer of corona and into the uncertainty of the next few months, we thought it was a good time to sort of look forward by looking back to the aftermath of the 1918 flu, and to chart the many ways that the silent invisible hand of that flu virus has shaped human history. There was this little wire and it was called the cat whisker. TRANSCRIPTS. Producer Latif Nasser. And Wilson ... [VOICE ACTOR, Woodrow Wilson: Do you hear them?]. MOLLY: With the backbone of -- yes! He finds out that his son and daughter in law have come down with the Spanish flu as well. 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